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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216355878" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216355878">(Nov 11 2020 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="2943">@T-infra</span> T-3 minutes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216356179" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216356179">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>o/</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216356239" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216356239">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>o/</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216356593" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216356593">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="2943">@T-infra</span> meeting time! o/</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216356836" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216356836">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, let's start</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216356906" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216356906">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>we have one P-high issue: <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/78743">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/78743</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216356933" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216356933">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
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<p>Spurious failure trying to checkout the repository</p>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357099" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357099">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>last week builds on github actions were failing during the "setup" stage, because cloning the actions/checkout action failed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357145" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357145">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>after a chat with github support I enabled debug logging for rust-lang-ci/rust, but since then the error disappeared</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357232" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357232">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>now, debug logging is kinda annoying, because it messes up github's log viewer</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357265" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aidan Hobson Sayers <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357265">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>o/</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357289" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357289">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>for example, when opening a failed build, it will focus on the skipped "upload artifacts" instead of the failed "run the build" step</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357338" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357338">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>enabling or disabling debug logging does not require landing changes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357361" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357361">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>what I propose is we disable debug logging, and then re-enable it as soon as we see that failure again</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357372" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357372">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I still prefer raw logs anyway, but yeah seems good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357373" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357373">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>what do y'all think?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357486" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aidan Hobson Sayers <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357486">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I'm clear - we reckon the problem is in github actions, and the debugging is to help us help them?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357504" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357504">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357704" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357704">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> await</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357707" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357707">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on the current topic?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if not.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357717" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357717">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
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<p>does not require landing changes</p>
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<p>That seems nice then.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357818" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357818">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><em>Maybe</em> a little blurb somewhere to show how other people can change it if you aren't around?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357838" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aidan Hobson Sayers <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357838">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>who is able to do the change?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357898" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357898">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:13)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/orgs/rust-lang-ci/teams/infra">https://github.com/orgs/rust-lang-ci/teams/infra</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216357930" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216357930">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>so everyone but <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="117568">@Aidan Hobson Sayers</span> (you need to accept the invitation to the org)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358059" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aidan Hobson Sayers <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358059">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>invitation expired <span aria-label="grimacing" class="emoji emoji-1f62c" role="img" title="grimacing">:grimacing:</span> I've got better at github notifications these days</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358196" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358196">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="117568">@Aidan Hobson Sayers</span> sent again</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358228" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358228">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok then! I'll write instructions on the issue :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358326" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358326">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>next up is the first item from the agenda</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358329" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358329">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
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<p>monitorbot is live!</p>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358384" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358384">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>thanks to <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="344082">@Nelson J Morais</span>'s work, monitorbot is now live, generating graphs of the github rate limits of all our bot accounts</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358412" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358412">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>the dashboard is available at <a href="https://grafana.rust-lang.org/d/UYXBA3hGz/github">https://grafana.rust-lang.org/d/UYXBA3hGz/github</a> (infra team members only)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358483" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358483">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>if you feel like something extra should be monitored by it open an issue at <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/monitorbot">https://github.com/rust-lang/monitorbot</a> :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358559" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358559">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> await</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358562" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358562">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on the current topic?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if not.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358577" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358577">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>shiny</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358622" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358622">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok then!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358658" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358658">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>next and last item on the agenda is "Move the website and rfcbot from Heroku to AWS", from me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358710" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358710">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>both <a href="http://www.rust-lang.org">www.rust-lang.org</a> and <a href="http://rfcbot.rs">rfcbot.rs</a> are currently hosted on heroku</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358724" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358724">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am strongly in favor of centralizing here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358771" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358771">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel I developed our ECS environment so that moving stuff on AWS does not regress the maintenability</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358850" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358850">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>for example, this was all needed to deploy monitorbot today -- <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/simpleinfra/blob/master/terraform/monitorbot/app.tf">https://github.com/rust-lang/simpleinfra/blob/master/terraform/monitorbot/app.tf</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358913" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358913">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>the main concern I think is that we can continue granting people who need it access to logs and redeployment</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358971" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358971">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think ultimately that'll be easier on aws than dealing with moz</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216358981" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216358981">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>and centralizing everything on AWS allows to share authentication and permissions with the setup we already have, along with the ability to make improvements across all apps</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359053" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aidan Hobson Sayers <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359053">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm +1 on rfcbot</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359065" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359065">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> that's actually way easier, because heroku's ACLs are not granular enough -- for example we can't grant access to the logs without granting the ability to deploy arbitrary code, since both of those are under the "operate" perm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359153" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359153">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>right yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359472" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359472">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>so, what I propose then is this:</p>
<p>heroku's rfcbot-rs =&gt; rfcbot on ecs with 1 active instance<br>
heroku's rust-www-staging =&gt; www-staging on ecs with 1 active instance<br>
heroku's new-rust-www =&gt; www on ecs with 2 active instances<br>
heroku's rust-www-try =&gt; not actually needed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359512" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359512">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>losing the opportunity for <code>new-new-</code> smh</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359562" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359562">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>namely, the website would be the first service hosted on our ecs cluster to run with more than 1 concurrent instance</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359605" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aidan Hobson Sayers <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359605">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think I'm -1 on the website as something driven by us - instead we should offer the advantages to the website 'team' and they decide</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359695" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359695">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>if there are multiple instances aws will spread them across availability zones, so if an AZ goes down we don't have downtime on the website, which is public facing (everything else on ECS is internal stuff atm)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359736" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359736">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am tempted to say we should put it into 2 different regions, but presumably that has more effort on our side</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359757" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359757">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>(e.g., I can imagine one in Asiaish might be good latency wise)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359825" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359825">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean for latency we can just stick cloudfront in front of it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359845" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359845">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="117568">@Aidan Hobson Sayers</span> the website team doesn't manage ops for the website though, even right now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359851" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359851">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, and get caching headers right</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359856" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359856">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>but yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359862" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aidan Hobson Sayers <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359862">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't think we need a HA website tbh, if an az is down half the internet dies and our homepage is probably not top of mind</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359926" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359926">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>the only service which has ops managed outside the infra team is <a href="http://crates.io">crates.io</a> right now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359949" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aidan Hobson Sayers <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359949">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>but if it's a single line then sure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216359987" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216359987">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>Is heroku right now multi-AZ (or the equivalent?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360033" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360033">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="117568">Aidan Hobson Sayers</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11/near/216359949">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>but if it's a single line then sure</p>
</blockquote>
<p>that's just <code>tasks_count = 2</code> instead of <code>tasks_count = 1</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360078" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Alex Gaynor <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360078">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes, Heroku runs in multiple AWS AZs (all in the same region)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360174" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360174">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:30)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116122">simulacrum</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11/near/216359987">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Is heroku right now multi-AZ (or the equivalent?)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>heroku itself is multi-AZ, but we only have a single instance of the website atm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360224" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360224">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>aha, ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360241" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360241">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>well either way I'm not against 2 tasks</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360280" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360280">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would not want to spend engineering time making that happen though, so if e.g. website has some global lock or w/e then we shouldn't</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360287" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360287">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>(<a href="http://crates.io">crates.io</a> has two dynos on two separate AZs)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360310" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360310">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> <span aria-label="thumbs up" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="thumbs up">:thumbs_up:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360343" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360343">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>tbh the website should just be a static site, but it's a rocket app right now <em>shrugs</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360442" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360442">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="121055">Pietro Albini</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11/near/216359472">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>so, what I propose then is this:</p>
<p>heroku's rfcbot-rs =&gt; rfcbot on ecs with 1 active instance<br>
heroku's rust-www-staging =&gt; www-staging on ecs with 1 active instance<br>
heroku's new-rust-www =&gt; www on ecs with 2 active instances<br>
heroku's rust-www-try =&gt; not actually needed</p>
</blockquote>
<p>ok then, everyone agrees with this? react with <span aria-label="check" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="check">:check:</span> or <span aria-label="cross mark" class="emoji emoji-274c" role="img" title="cross mark">:cross_mark:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360483" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360483">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>Note that rfcbot will need to migrate a db I think too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360484" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360484">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>(of course I'll migrate staging before the website proper)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360495" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360495">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>right, yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360539" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aidan Hobson Sayers <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360539">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="121055">Pietro Albini</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11/near/216359845">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="117568">Aidan Hobson Sayers</span> the website team doesn't manage ops for the website though, even right now</p>
</blockquote>
<p>hmm, not quite what I'm getting at - it's more of a courtesy thing, that they're the ones building on top and should have their say. it's probably the way of framing, i.e. "we were thinking of X" rather than "we're going to migrate"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360547" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360547">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>migrate staging before the website proper</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Will you test the <code>=2</code> there as well? Setting back to 1 eventually.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360564" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360564">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116155">Jake Goulding</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11/near/216360547">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>migrate staging before the website proper</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Will you test the <code>=2</code> there as well? Setting back to 1 eventually.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>sure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216360856" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216360856">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:35)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="117568">Aidan Hobson Sayers</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11/near/216360539">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="121055">Pietro Albini</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11/near/216359845">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="117568">Aidan Hobson Sayers</span> the website team doesn't manage ops for the website though, even right now</p>
</blockquote>
<p>hmm, not quite what I'm getting at - it's more of a courtesy thing, that they're the ones building on top and should have their say. it's probably the way of framing, i.e. "we were thinking of X" rather than "we're going to migrate"</p>
</blockquote>
<p>hmm, ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216361224" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216361224">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="117568">@Aidan Hobson Sayers</span> do you have other concerns? or can you check the checkbox? <span aria-label="smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="smile">:smile:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216361282" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aidan Hobson Sayers <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216361282">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>checked</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216361345" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216361345">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>great then!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216361369" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216361369">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's all for the agenda! does anyone have other items to bring up? <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> end-meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216361370" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216361370">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to bring up?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if you're ready to end the meeting.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216361756" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216361756">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>thanks everyone for attending then!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216361759" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216361759">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>\o</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216361811" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216361811">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>\o</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216361822" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aidan Hobson Sayers <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216361822">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>\o</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-11/near/216361906" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-11.html#216361906">(Nov 11 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>\o</p>



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